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If you drive a STELLANTIS vehicle, may God help you! PART 3

Ever wondered why sales of EU-manufactured EVs are declining in Europe while global EV sales, particularly in China and the U.S., are booming? It’s because these vehicles are complex and unreliable designed to push you back to diesel! Across these three articles, it should be clear that STELLANTIS produces and sells vehicles that systematically make ownership an ordeal. You’re forced to replace entire drivetrains for minor faults, and even minor software errors can mean replacing the entire battery due to non-resettable deactivation codes that OBD tools cannot clear. To add insult to injury, warranties are often denied for absurd reasons, like not having the first service receipt stamped or missing a wiper blade change.

STELLANTIS has done the unthinkable by tying the general warranty of the vehicle to the warranty of the drivetrain, ensuring that any failure places you at the mercy of authorized service centers that might refuse to honor warranties over technicalities hidden in the fine print. This makes owning a STELLANTIS EV an ongoing source of stress, from charging to servicing. Standard service shops shy away from touching these cars for fear of damage. Specialized service centers are few and far between across Europe, while authorized centers often resort to replacing entire batteries or drivetrains for every issue. The ownership experience of a STELLANTIS EV or PHEV becomes agonizing, especially after the warranty expires, and aftermarket servicing is even more torturous.

One of the most peculiar and legally questionable reasons for warranty refusal, which conflicts with EU single market regulations, is Fiat’s policy of rejecting warranty claims if the vehicle is ‘imported.’ This practice, seen in certain authorized service centers, undermines the principle of free movement of goods within the EU. According to EU laws, such policies are not supposed to discriminate against vehicles bought in other member states, as all consumers should be entitled to the same level of service and warranty coverage regardless of the vehicle’s country of purchase.

This approach not only challenges the EU directive aimed at ensuring non-discriminatory practices in the automotive industry but also raises concerns among consumers and consumer protection bodies. If manufacturers or service providers deny warranty claims based solely on the origin of the vehicle within the EU, they may be acting against the essence of the single market, which guarantees that goods legally sold in any EU country are entitled to move freely and receive equal treatment across borders.

Case in point: this is the 14th 2022 Fiat 500e we have serviced for the same problem—battery failure with warranty denied at only 10,000 km. The service center demanded the owner pay €13,000 for a new battery. The nightmare begins with Fiat’s so-called SGW (Security Gateway) system, which prevents anyone but authorized service centers from clearing errors via OBD. First, Fiat must unlock the port for me to access and clear errors or use special functions. This absurd system seems designed to prevent anyone but authorized services from repairing the vehicle, supposedly to prevent theft. However, when repairs are this expensive, it would have been better to leave the system unlocked—it’s cheaper for the owner to have the car stolen and buy a used one!

Unlocking SGW involves navigating through a maze of redirects and approvals to get Aftermarket authorization. We waited two months on Fiat’s site and paid over €200 for multiple accounts. We also had to order a MICROPOD II OBD tool that’s impossible to find. The FCA MDP tool from Maverick UK costs €3,000. We tried Autel, submitted the SGW Auth request, and have been waiting for two months—a waste of money. For one Fiat repair, we needed the circuit diagram and SGW access just to clear a HVIL fault. Two months of waiting, and Fiat’s account was still unresolved.

Three days ago, we accessed Fiat eLearn, found the pinout, and confirmed the HVIL issue was in the battery, not the car itself. However, the fault was neither in the battery nor the BMS, but a software problem. After 100 work hours, 20 battery removals, and EEPROM modifications, the car no longer had the active fault. But we still had to deal with SGW. We contacted a remote technician (an American of Russian descent) who used his Fiat SGW account through my Xiaomi Pad Launch5 to unlock it. Finally, we cleared the errors, and the car showed “READY” status. Another car had a “Pack B deterioration” error that locked a DTC.

The fact that it takes this much effort to fix an issue that should be covered by warranty is proof of how unreliable and unsustainable these overcomplicated, expensive systems are. And none of these cars have more than 20,000 km on them. In 2-3 years, when warranties expire, Europe will face a massive problem: a surge of broken EVs that no service center can handle due to manufacturer-imposed restrictions.

STELLANTIS also imposes exorbitant parts costs. The Continental electric motor used across their models costs €14,000 and can’t be purchased separately from the inverter. The OBC is priced at €3,800 in the catalog. There is no straightforward protocol to reprogram a used inverter, making repair unsustainable and generating unnecessary waste. Replacing an inverter or motor requires disassembling the entire front end. The system is so poorly designed that the process is excessively complex—unlike BMW, Audi, and Tesla, which offer much simpler access.

Although the Fiat 500e has its issues, I can’t say it’s a bad car. On the contrary, it’s one of the best small European electric cars. The battery problem is solvable, but we choose not to address it because it is the manufacturer’s responsibility to fix such defects. The Fiat 500e is not something to avoid, but the risk of a battery fault appearing for unknown reasons is always present. Personally, it’s one of my favorite EVs, far better than the Smart 453 or eUp. But this is explanation what Fiat closed factory and why sales are going down… customers do not believe EU manufacturers with those EV products, and they are completely right.

Our recommendations to manufacturers:

  1. Remove the policy tying general vehicle warranties to drivetrain warranties.
  2. Design drivetrains for easy disassembly – programming – repurposing.
  3. Make drivetrains modular and easy to replace.
  4. Electric motors should not cost €14,000.
  5. BMS, wiring, and other battery components must be available for purchase.
  6. Permanently eliminate the SGW, and send engineers to prison.
  7. Simplify the EPC catalog, documentation access, and diagnostic tools at reasonable prices (ask Tesla how).
  8. Simplify software updates, resetting, and programming of used units; allow public access to engineering diagnostics.
  9. Publicly release all .dbc protocol files.

Recommendations for owners:

  1. Support manufacturers that prioritize sustainable and reliable systems.
  2. We don’t work on DS, Citroen, Peugeot, or Opel—permanently.

ERROR CODES: P0EDD, P0A0A,

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If you’re driving a STELLANTIS, may God be with you!! PART 2#

DS3 eTense with 23,000 km: 20 Months of Repairs and Ongoing Challenges

Our repair shop has encountered significant difficulties with a DS3 eTense, purchased with high expectations but plagued by engineering and warranty issues. After just 23,000 km, the vehicle required repairs that have stretched over 20 months, highlighting several systemic challenges in the EV industry.

One key issue we face is the lack of support for independent repair shops, including limited access to diagrams, software, updates, parts, and specialized tools. Requests for assistance often go unanswered, with claims that it is “not their responsibility.” This lack of access appears to conflict with EU Regulation 2018/858, Article 61, which mandates fair access to vehicle repair information for independent workshops.

While manufacturers such as Tesla and Mercedes grant access within a day, we have waited weeks for Fiat and Citroën accounts to clear faults. Authorized service centers, meanwhile, often lack adequate training and resources, leading to prolonged repair times and increased costs for vehicle owners. In this case, the vehicle remains non-functional despite extensive repairs, including replacing the motor, inverters, and MCU at a cost of €5,000. The suggested further repairs would cost an additional €12,500, with no guarantee of resolving the root cause.

A significant concern is that the extended warranty is tied to minor services. For example, missing a wiper replacement can reportedly void the battery warranty, which appears disproportionate and adds to owner frustration. Additionally, the diagnostic tools available, whether OEM or aftermarket, do not provide adequate access for advanced troubleshooting, making repairs unnecessarily complex and costly.

This vehicle, like many others, may become unrepairable once out of warranty due to the high costs of parts and the lack of repair infrastructure. This poses a risk of EVs prematurely ending up in scrapyards, undermining the transition to sustainable mobility.

Part number: 9839833580
Supplier: Continental
OEM Repair: 12500€
Case: Warranty r-a-p-e

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If you drive a STELLANTIS vehicle, may God help you! PART 1

It’s time for an honest review: With Stellantis OBC we have observed frequent technical issues with several EV models, which raises questions about their long-term reliability. The level of questionable engineering in their designs borders on the absurd, and it’s time to highlight the issues where owners ultimately pay the price. We’re all aware of the shortcomings in their diesel, gasoline, and hybrid vehicles, but what’s happening with their EVs is truly unacceptable. These problems could discourage buyers from EVs and lead them back to diesel – an unfortunate outcome that benefits no one

Our experience has exposed a range of problems, from restricting “right to repair” access for independent workshops (blocking schematics, software, updates, parts) to the absence of essential tools and documentation. Their support practices appear to violate the spirit of EU Regulation 2018/858, Article 61, by limiting independent repair access. Warranty conditions are extremely strict – for instance, skipping a minor service (like a wiper change) can void the battery warranty – which customers find unreasonable.

The situation is even worse for official service centers, whose technicians receive inadequate training, lack reliable hotline support, and often resort to blindly swapping parts at the owner’s expense. And even when they can identify the problem, replacement parts are frequently unavailable, leading to delays of 2-6 months, which is especially damaging for businesses left without a replacement vehicle under warranty. Worst of all are the warranty terms—these conditions border on extortion. They tie the vehicle’s overall warranty to specific components; for example, skipping a windshield wiper change could void the battery warranty, even during critical recalls where they refuse to replace faulty parts.

We’ve documented three cases of catastrophically flawed MAHLE OBC and DCDC units integrated into a single module, with eight circuit boards that overcomplicate the system to an extreme. The final IGBT board is epoxy-bonded to the cooling plate along with the DCDC inverter, with almost every board running its own microcontroller. In two cases, damage was undetectable, but Type 2 charging simply didn’t work. In one case, an inductor wire to the IGBT output burned out. We couldn’t repair any of these units after three attempts. For the second part, we’ve been waiting six months, and despite it being a factory defect, it’s neither covered by warranty nor recognized in a recall, leaving owners no option but to switch manufacturers or face potential financial ruin. This issue affects all Peugeot, Citroën, Opel, Toyota, and DS vehicles—and it’s just the beginning.

It’s as if they’re making EVs so that you’ll hate them.

Part number: H-20679-01, 03196727, MAHLE

Processor: Sak-TC234L

Error: Type2 doesnt charge

OEM : 2200€ (6 months waiting time)

EVC: –

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STELLANTIS – Toyota Proace, Citroën ë-Jumpy, Peugeot e-Expert, Opel Vivaro-e, etc.: Consumer Concerns About Warranty and Service Practices

Electric vehicles (EVs) have transformed the automotive industry, promising lower maintenance and environmental benefits. However, as with any emerging technology, challenges arise—particularly with certain manufacturers. Recent reports highlight issues with Stellantis EVs, raising questions about warranty policies and service practices.

Concerns Over Warranty Denial
A notable case involves the Citroën ë-Jumpy, where a battery defect occurred within 14 months and only 1,600 kilometers driven. The warranty claim was denied because the vehicle was purchased at auction from a bankrupt company, and despite the first service being completed, the lack of paper documentation was cited as the reason for rejection. This decision left the owner with a repair bill of €25,000 for a new battery.

Further compounding the frustration, the authorized service center charged €200 for diagnostics and initially refused to provide a printout of the error codes. Upon insistence, they eventually produced the documentation but offered conflicting justifications for denying the warranty. Their explanation ranged from a missing “initial action” to the absence of a trivial service action—filling 1 liter of wiper fluid. This incident highlights a lack of transparency and consumer-friendly processes.

Technical Analysis
The battery in question was later inspected independently, revealing that the cells were functional, but the Battery Management System (BMS) had triggered a “LOCK lvl2 error,” rendering the pack unusable. This issue appears to be a potential serial defect that could warrant a recall. Despite this, the manufacturer offered a used battery replacement for €9,000, which is still under consideration.

Broader Issues with Stellantis EVs
This case is not isolated. Stellantis’ general warranty ties vehicle coverage to powertrain maintenance, an approach not followed by many other manufacturers like Tesla, Renault, or Ford, which maintain separate systems for general and drivetrain warranties. This policy has reportedly led to denied warranty claims for minor omissions unrelated to the drivetrain.

Owners and independent workshops have also reported other recurring issues across Stellantis EVs, including software and hardware faults that result in disproportionately high repair costs.

Recommendations for EV Buyers

  1. Research Warranty Terms: Before purchasing an EV, confirm whether the general warranty is separate from the drivetrain warranty. Avoid models where minor service omissions can void essential coverage.
  2. Stay Informed: Be cautious of promotional materials and paid reviews that may not fully disclose potential drawbacks.
  3. Advocate for Change: Consumer protection agencies and regulatory bodies must address practices that unfairly burden owners with the costs of factory defects.

Conclusion
While the future is undoubtedly electric, it is critical to hold manufacturers accountable for their products and warranty practices. Stellantis, in particular, should reevaluate its policies and invest in transparent, customer-focused service systems to regain trust. Until these issues are addressed, prospective buyers may wish to consider alternatives.

Catalog: 1677671480, 9841848180, 9694347580, 9835785980, 9840685180
Error: P1069
Battery: new €25,000, used €9,000
Malfunction: serial error of the BMS system
Processor: SAK-TC275

STELLANTIS – Toyota Proace, Citroën ë-Jumpy, Peugeot e-Expert, Opel Vivaro-e, itd.: Problemi s jamstvima i servisnim praksama

Električna vozila (EV) revolucionirala su automobilski sektor, obećavajući niže troškove održavanja i ekološke prednosti. Međutim, kao i kod svake nove tehnologije, pojavljuju se izazovi – posebno kod nekih proizvođača. Nedavna iskustva korisnika ukazuju na probleme s EV vozilima Stellantisa, osobito vezano uz jamstvene uvjete i servisne prakse.

Problemi s odbijanjem jamstva

Jedan značajan primjer uključuje Citroën ë-Jumpy, kod kojeg je došlo do kvara baterije unutar 14 mjeseci i nakon samo 1.600 prijeđenih kilometara. Zahtjev za jamstvom je odbijen jer je vozilo kupljeno na aukciji od tvrtke u stečaju. Iako je prvi servis obavljen, nedostatak papirnatih dokaza o tom servisu iskorišten je kao razlog za odbijanje jamstva. To je vlasnika ostavilo s troškom popravka od 25.000 € za novu bateriju.

Situaciju je dodatno pogoršalo to što je ovlašteni servis naplatio 200 € za dijagnostiku, ali isprva nije htio dostaviti ispis kodova grešaka. Nakon opetovanih zahtjeva, dokumentacija je ipak dostavljena, ali razlozi za odbijanje jamstva ostali su nejasni. Objašnjenja su varirala od “neizvršene početne akcije” do toga da nije nadolivena 1 litra tekućine za brisače, što ukazuje na manjak transparentnosti i poštenja u procesu.

Tehnička analiza

Neovisna inspekcija baterije pokazala je da su sve ćelije ispravne. Međutim, sustav upravljanja baterijom (BMS) aktivirao je “LOCK lvl2 grešku”, koja je trajno onemogućila korištenje baterijskog paketa. Ovaj problem izgleda kao serijska greška koja bi trebala biti riješena opozivom. Unatoč tome, proizvođač je ponudio rabljenu bateriju za 9.000 €, ostavljajući vlasnika s ograničenim opcijama.

Širi problemi sa Stellantis EV vozilima

Ovaj slučaj nije izoliran. Opća jamstvena politika Stellantisa povezuje pokriće vozila s održavanjem pogonskog sustava, za razliku od proizvođača poput Tesle, Renaulta ili Forda, koji odvajaju jamstva za opće komponente i pogonski sustav. Ta praksa navodno je dovela do odbijanja jamstva zbog manjih propusta koji nisu povezani s pogonskim sustavom.

Vlasnici i neovisni servisi također su prijavili druge ponavljajuće probleme s EV vozilima Stellantisa, uključujući softverske i hardverske kvarove koji uzrokuju visoke troškove popravka. Ti problemi, u kombinaciji sa strogim uvjetima jamstva, narušavaju povjerenje potrošača u brend.

Preporuke za buduće kupce EV vozila

  1. Provjerite uvjete jamstva: Prije kupnje EV vozila, provjerite je li opće jamstvo odvojeno od jamstva za pogonski sustav. Izbjegavajte modele kod kojih trivijalni propusti mogu poništiti ključna pokrića.
  2. Istražite reputaciju proizvođača: Budite oprezni prema promotivnim materijalima i recenzijama koje možda izostavljaju potencijalne nedostatke.
  3. Zagovarajte odgovornost: Potičite veću transparentnost i odgovornost proizvođača te zahtijevajte aktivniju ulogu agencija za zaštitu potrošača u rješavanju nepoštenih praksi.

Zaključak

Iako je budućnost nesumnjivo električna, proizvođači moraju dati prioritet poštenim i transparentnim politikama servisa i jamstva. Stellantis, posebice, trebao bi riješiti ove probleme i posvetiti se rješenjima usmjerenima prema korisnicima kako bi povratio povjerenje. Dok se ti problemi ne riješe, potencijalni kupci možda bi trebali razmotriti alternative.

Kataloski:1677671480, 9841848180, 9694347580, 9835785980, 9840685180

Greška: P1069

Baterija: nova 25000€, rabljena 9000€

Kvar: serijska greska BMS sustava

Procesor: SAK-TC275