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If you drive a STELLANTIS vehicle, may God help you! PART 3

Ever wondered why sales of EU-manufactured EVs are declining in Europe while global EV sales, particularly in China and the U.S., are booming? It’s because these vehicles are complex and unreliable designed to push you back to diesel! Across these three articles, it should be clear that STELLANTIS produces and sells vehicles that systematically make ownership an ordeal. You’re forced to replace entire drivetrains for minor faults, and even minor software errors can mean replacing the entire battery due to non-resettable deactivation codes that OBD tools cannot clear. To add insult to injury, warranties are often denied for absurd reasons, like not having the first service receipt stamped or missing a wiper blade change.

STELLANTIS has done the unthinkable by tying the general warranty of the vehicle to the warranty of the drivetrain, ensuring that any failure places you at the mercy of authorized service centers that might refuse to honor warranties over technicalities hidden in the fine print. This makes owning a STELLANTIS EV an ongoing source of stress, from charging to servicing. Standard service shops shy away from touching these cars for fear of damage. Specialized service centers are few and far between across Europe, while authorized centers often resort to replacing entire batteries or drivetrains for every issue. The ownership experience of a STELLANTIS EV or PHEV becomes agonizing, especially after the warranty expires, and aftermarket servicing is even more torturous.

One of the most peculiar and legally questionable reasons for warranty refusal, which conflicts with EU single market regulations, is Fiat’s policy of rejecting warranty claims if the vehicle is ‘imported.’ This practice, seen in certain authorized service centers, undermines the principle of free movement of goods within the EU. According to EU laws, such policies are not supposed to discriminate against vehicles bought in other member states, as all consumers should be entitled to the same level of service and warranty coverage regardless of the vehicle’s country of purchase.

This approach not only challenges the EU directive aimed at ensuring non-discriminatory practices in the automotive industry but also raises concerns among consumers and consumer protection bodies. If manufacturers or service providers deny warranty claims based solely on the origin of the vehicle within the EU, they may be acting against the essence of the single market, which guarantees that goods legally sold in any EU country are entitled to move freely and receive equal treatment across borders.

Case in point: this is the 14th 2022 Fiat 500e we have serviced for the same problem—battery failure with warranty denied at only 10,000 km. The service center demanded the owner pay €13,000 for a new battery. The nightmare begins with Fiat’s so-called SGW (Security Gateway) system, which prevents anyone but authorized service centers from clearing errors via OBD. First, Fiat must unlock the port for me to access and clear errors or use special functions. This absurd system seems designed to prevent anyone but authorized services from repairing the vehicle, supposedly to prevent theft. However, when repairs are this expensive, it would have been better to leave the system unlocked—it’s cheaper for the owner to have the car stolen and buy a used one!

Unlocking SGW involves navigating through a maze of redirects and approvals to get Aftermarket authorization. We waited two months on Fiat’s site and paid over €200 for multiple accounts. We also had to order a MICROPOD II OBD tool that’s impossible to find. The FCA MDP tool from Maverick UK costs €3,000. We tried Autel, submitted the SGW Auth request, and have been waiting for two months—a waste of money. For one Fiat repair, we needed the circuit diagram and SGW access just to clear a HVIL fault. Two months of waiting, and Fiat’s account was still unresolved.

Three days ago, we accessed Fiat eLearn, found the pinout, and confirmed the HVIL issue was in the battery, not the car itself. However, the fault was neither in the battery nor the BMS, but a software problem. After 100 work hours, 20 battery removals, and EEPROM modifications, the car no longer had the active fault. But we still had to deal with SGW. We contacted a remote technician (an American of Russian descent) who used his Fiat SGW account through my Xiaomi Pad Launch5 to unlock it. Finally, we cleared the errors, and the car showed “READY” status. Another car had a “Pack B deterioration” error that locked a DTC.

The fact that it takes this much effort to fix an issue that should be covered by warranty is proof of how unreliable and unsustainable these overcomplicated, expensive systems are. And none of these cars have more than 20,000 km on them. In 2-3 years, when warranties expire, Europe will face a massive problem: a surge of broken EVs that no service center can handle due to manufacturer-imposed restrictions.

STELLANTIS also imposes exorbitant parts costs. The Continental electric motor used across their models costs €14,000 and can’t be purchased separately from the inverter. The OBC is priced at €3,800 in the catalog. There is no straightforward protocol to reprogram a used inverter, making repair unsustainable and generating unnecessary waste. Replacing an inverter or motor requires disassembling the entire front end. The system is so poorly designed that the process is excessively complex—unlike BMW, Audi, and Tesla, which offer much simpler access.

Although the Fiat 500e has its issues, I can’t say it’s a bad car. On the contrary, it’s one of the best small European electric cars. The battery problem is solvable, but we choose not to address it because it is the manufacturer’s responsibility to fix such defects. The Fiat 500e is not something to avoid, but the risk of a battery fault appearing for unknown reasons is always present. Personally, it’s one of my favorite EVs, far better than the Smart 453 or eUp. But this is explanation what Fiat closed factory and why sales are going down… customers do not believe EU manufacturers with those EV products, and they are completely right.

Our recommendations to manufacturers:

  1. Remove the policy tying general vehicle warranties to drivetrain warranties.
  2. Design drivetrains for easy disassembly – programming – repurposing.
  3. Make drivetrains modular and easy to replace.
  4. Electric motors should not cost €14,000.
  5. BMS, wiring, and other battery components must be available for purchase.
  6. Permanently eliminate the SGW, and send engineers to prison.
  7. Simplify the EPC catalog, documentation access, and diagnostic tools at reasonable prices (ask Tesla how).
  8. Simplify software updates, resetting, and programming of used units; allow public access to engineering diagnostics.
  9. Publicly release all .dbc protocol files.

Recommendations for owners:

  1. Support manufacturers that prioritize sustainable and reliable systems.
  2. We don’t work on DS, Citroen, Peugeot, or Opel—permanently.

ERROR CODES: P0EDD, P0A0A,

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If you’re driving a STELLANTIS, may God be with you!! PART 2#

DS3 eTense with 23,000 km, warranty abused and 20 months of repair agony. The level of poor engineering in these vehicles borders on madness. This group is putting junk on wheels across diesel, petrol, and hybrid models, but what they’re doing in EVs is unforgivable. The poor product experience is so strong it can turn anyone away from EVs for good. As a repair shop, we face countless issues: aftermarket “right to repair” access for independent repair shops (diagrams, software, updates, parts), as well as specialized tools and documentation, are inaccessible. They rarely respond to inquiries or claim “it’s not their responsibility,” violating EU Regulation 2018/858, Article 61. We’ve been waiting for weeks to get access to FIAT and Citroen accounts just to clear faults, while Tesla or BYD grant access within a day. Authorized service centers are controlled by the group with insufficient training or support, leading to random part replacements at the owner’s expense. Furthermore, manufacturers lack the necessary parts for repairs, leaving vehicles unusable for months, causing significant losses to business owners without replacement vehicles. Finally, the vehicle’s extended warranty is tied to every minor service; even a missed wiper change can void the battery warranty, a notorious issue we’ve dubbed “Warranty R-a-p-e.” This has happened to this DS3, as the general warranty on wipers is tied to the motor and battery. The vehicle failed in motion due to an unknown fault (no communication with the VCU), and because of the PMSM motor in motion, coil excitation in the inverter burned out the inverter board. After five authorized services, 200 lost work hours, and €5,000 spent on a motor, two inverters, MCU, and additional equipment, we haven’t located the primary fault, though we successfully cloned the secondary inverter from the old to the new. Getting the car’s wheels turning again without buying a whole new car is impossible. The authorized service demands replacing the motor and inverter, which costs €12,500, though this likely isn’t the primary fault, opening further costs. The software system is shockingly limited for troubleshooting—you can never locate the fault by error code. Diagnostic tools, whether OEM or aftermarket, don’t provide access to specialized functions, resets, or programming. Pairing new or used modules is an excruciating process, and the entire policy on which this vehicle is based is unsustainable and unprofitable, leaving owners with major losses. These vehicles, once out of warranty, will be unrepairable and end up in parts or the scrapyard and owners returning to old VW TDI 1.9PD

Part number: 9839833580
Supplier: Continental
OEM Repair: 12500€
Case: Warranty r-a-p-e

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If you drive a STELLANTIS vehicle, may God help you! PART 1

It’s time for an honest review: Stellantis is an unsustainable conglomerate producing unreliable vehicles. The level of questionable engineering in their designs borders on the absurd, and it’s time to highlight the issues where owners ultimately pay the price. We’re all aware of the shortcomings in their diesel, gasoline, and hybrid vehicles, but what’s happening with their EVs is truly unacceptable. It almost feels intentional—as if they’re nudging you toward buying a diesel with a DPF filter just to keep you coming back for costly repairs.

Our experience has exposed a range of problems, from restricting “right to repair” access for independent workshops (blocking schematics, software, updates, parts) to the absence of essential tools and documentation. Support is practically nonexistent, blatantly ignoring EU Regulation 2018/858, Article 61. For weeks, we’ve been waiting for access to FIAT and Citroën accounts, while companies like Tesla or BYD provide this access within a day. With Stellantis, it would take scrapping 50 cars before any real progress is made.

The situation is even worse for official service centers, whose technicians receive inadequate training, lack reliable hotline support, and often resort to blindly swapping parts at the owner’s expense. And even when they can identify the problem, replacement parts are frequently unavailable, leading to delays of 2-6 months, which is especially damaging for businesses left without a replacement vehicle under warranty. Worst of all are the warranty terms—these conditions border on extortion. They tie the vehicle’s overall warranty to specific components; for example, skipping a windshield wiper change could void the battery warranty, even during critical recalls where they refuse to replace faulty parts.

We’ve documented three cases of catastrophically flawed MAHLE OBC and DCDC units integrated into a single module, with eight circuit boards that overcomplicate the system to an extreme. The final IGBT board is epoxy-bonded to the cooling plate along with the DCDC inverter, with almost every board running its own microcontroller. In two cases, damage was undetectable, but Type 2 charging simply didn’t work. In one case, an inductor wire to the IGBT output burned out. We couldn’t repair any of these units after three attempts. For the second part, we’ve been waiting six months, and despite it being a factory defect, it’s neither covered by warranty nor recognized in a recall, leaving owners no option but to switch manufacturers or face potential financial ruin. This issue affects all Peugeot, Citroën, Opel, Toyota, and DS vehicles—and it’s just the beginning.

It’s as if they’re making EVs so that you’ll hate them.

Part number: H-20679-01, 03196727, MAHLE

Processor: Sak-TC234L

Error: Type2 doesnt charge

OEM : 2200€ (6 months waiting time)

EVC: –

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STELLANTIS – Warranty ra-pe bully

STELLANTIS – Toyota Proace, Citroen eJumpy, Peugeot eExpert, Opel eVivaro, etc… if we hate anything in the world, it’s CRAP factory defect product, no matter what type of drive it is. If you are not interested to findout why, then skip 👇
While auto portals receive money for paid fake news propaganda where Tesla, Hyundai and others are not good product and suddenly Stellantis is good, we have to deal with topics for which they have neither knowledge nor guts. There is one problem, let’s call it the “automotive ra-pe syndrome”, where authorized service providers put vehicle owners in a situation where they think they have no choice, blackmail them with non-existent warranty regulations and other methods of “participation in the warranty cost” for failures in warranty, completely denying the warranty, of course without grounds, or even when owners knowingly buy factory defect car and they hope that they won’t be victims of defects (programmed or factory defects) like these “sponsors” with euro6/7 diesels and hybrids. Then, due to the shamefully high maintenance/repair costs, the owners avoid telling their relatives (wife, boyfriend etc..) and other people because of shame, automotive RA-PE shame. But they contact us in secret, because what fool pays for a healty hybrid battery on which the software counter has counted down to 0, or who on Audi the hybrid pays the hybrid’s alternator €2,500 every 12 months and brags about it, or who brags about changing the BMW chain every 6 months… nobody. We received such an example in the form of the electric eJumpy. Battery defect in 14 months and 1,600 kilometers driven, new vehicle with serial error, warranty denied. The vehicle was bought at an auction from a company in bankruptcy, we were waiting for the papers and by the time everything arrived, 12 months had passed and the service manual, apart from the fact that it exists in digital form and the first service was done, there is no service document for it in paper form and there is no invoice for the first service (we cant get it), which is reason for rejecting the warranty. First, they charged €200 for diagnostics so they could tell him that the battery was €25,000 as a repair cost, then they made up a story that they couldn’t give him a printout of the errors but they charged it!!!!, so we asked ourselves as a “secret shopper” to hear what the employee’s oral crap sounds like on that topic, at the end they gave a printout of errors. We asked for a detailed explanation of why the warranty was rejected, the answer: “INITIAL ACTION was not done”. First service in 20,000 km or 12 months. We specifically emphasized that the vehicle is in our garage and that we do not feel safe if this “initial action” is not taken, because what if the BMW next to it catches fire and eJupmpy also burns, how can we justify that it is not an eJumpy because Diesel BMW catches fire every day… it is better to be safe of those accusations. We askeed thecnician: “Please explain what we need to do so important to reject the guarantee, because safety is at stake”. The employee replies with these words “NOTHING IS THAT IMPORTANT, IT’S AN ELECTRIC CAR THAT DOESN’T NEED MAINTENANCE”. And that’s where he got himself caught, he reluctantly continued printing the service intervals, only to eventually ask him to read to me what it says “orally”… the warranty was rejected because he “did NOT ADD 1L OF WIPER FLUID” which is the only “INITIAL action” as an excuse to take 25,000 from you € for a new battery. We opened this battery and examined it, all the cells are correct, the BMS mistakenly activated the LOCK lvl2 error for which we have no solution and permanently disabled the completely healthy battery pack. Which is basically a serial error for a free recall. They subsequently made another offer for a used battery for €9,000, but that is not yet in the process. The recommendation is, if you plan to upgrade to an EV, advice is to avoid buying anything from the Stellantis until further notice. Only they have a general vehicle warranty related to the powertrain, other manufacturers have not merged the powertrain system with service and service intervals (Tesla, Renault, Ford…) when you buy an EV, ask if the general warranty is separate from the drive system warranty, if not, if they cancel the warranty because of wiper service then don’t buy the vehicle. Autoportals, Šebalji and others are not doing their job, they only cover paid materials and propaganda to your detriment, and consumer protection is not doing anything either, so don’t buy STELLANTIS. We are also writing soon for other PSA EV scraps where every component has a serial error that they successfully reject under warranty. More pictures in the comments. The future is electric, but not from European scrap manufacturers, they don’t know how to make either ICE or EV (which is simpler)
Catalog: 1677671480, 9841848180, 9694347580, 9835785980, 9840685180
Error: P1069
Battery: new €25,000, used €9,000
Malfunction: serial error of the BMS system
Processor: SAK-TC275

STELLANTIS – Toyota Proace, Citroen eJumpy, Peugeot eExpert, Opel eVivaro itd… ako išta na svijetu mrzimo to je onda ŠKART, nebitno koji tip pogona je. Ako te ne zanima zašto, preskoči 👇

Dok auto portali primaju lovu za plaćenu fakenews propagandu gdje Tesla, Hyundai i slicni nevaljaju a odjednom stelantis skart valja, mi se moramo baviti temama za koje oni nemaju ni znanja ni m**a. Postoji jedan nazovimo ga “automotive ra-pe sindrom”, gdje vlasnike vozila ovlasteni servisi dovedu u situaciju da misle da nemaju izbora, ucjenjuju nepostojecim pravilnicima i ostalim metodama “učešća u garanciji” na kvar u garanciji, potpuno odbijanje garancije naravno neosnovano ili čak kad vlasnici svjesno kupe škart pa se nadaju da njih neće “potrefit” kao ove sponzore sa euro6/7 dizelima i hybridima. Tad vlasnici zbog sramotno visokih troskova odrzavanja/popravke izbjegavaju pričati bliznjima (zeni, decku, šank supportu) oko sebe zbog srama ali obrate se nama u tajnosti, jer koja budala plati ispravnu bateriju hybrida na kojoj je odbrojio software brojac, ili tko to na audi hybridu plati alternator hybrida 2500€ svakih 12mj i da se time hvali, ili ko se hvali da svakih 6mj mjenja lanac na bmw… niko. Nama je dosao takav primjer u obliku elektricnog eJumpy. Defekt baterije u 14mjeseci i 1600 prijedjenih kilometara, novo vozilo sa serijskom greskom je odbijena garancija. Vozilo kupljeno na aukciji od firme u stecaju, cekali se i papiri i dok je sve stiglo proslo 12mj a servisna osim sto postoji u digitalnom obliku i prvi servis je napravljen, za njega nema servisnu u papirnom obliku i nema racuna za prvi servis, sto je povod za odbijanje garancije. Prvo su naplatili dijagnostiku 200€ da mu mogu reći da je baterija 25000€ kao trosak popravke, onda su izmisljali price kako mu nemogu dati ispis gresaka ali naplatili su istu, pa smo se upitili kao “tajni kupac” da čujemo kao zvuči oralni prdež djelatnika servisa na tu temu uživo, na kraju su dali ispis grešaka. Tražili smo detaljno objasnjenje zasto je garancija odbijena, odgovor: “nije napravljena POČETNA RADNJA”. Prvi servis u 20000km ili 12mj. Izričito smo naglasili da nam je vozilo u garazi i da se ne osjecamo sigurno ako ta početna radnja nije napravljena, jer sta ako se zapali BMW kraj njega pa i on izgori, kako opravdati da nije eJumpy. Daj objasni sta trebamo tako bitno za odbijanje garancije napraviti, jer sigurnost je u pitanju. Djelatnik odgovara ovim rijecima “NEMA STA BITI TOLIKO VAZNO, TO JE ELEKTRICNO AUTO TAJ NEMA ODRZAVANJA”. I tu je se sam upecao, nerado je nastavio printanje servisnih intervala da bi na kraju trazio da mi usmeno procita sto piše… garancija je odbijena jer “NIJE DODAO 1L TEKUCINE ZA BRISAČE” sto je jedna jedina POčetna radnja kao izgovor da vam se uzme 25000€ za novu bateriju. Ova bateriju smo otvorili i ispitali, sve celije su ispravne, BMS je gresko aktivirao LOCK lvl2 gresku za koju nemamo rijesenje i onesposobio trajno potpuno ispravan battery pack. Sto je u principu serijska greska za besplatan opoziv. Naknadno su dali jos jednu ponudu na polovnu bateriju za 9000€ ali to jos nije u procesu. Preporuka je, ako imate plan preci na EV, izbjegavajte do daljnjeg kupovati bilo što iz pljačkantis grupacije. Samo oni imaju opću garanciju vozila vezanu na powertrain, ostali proizvodjaci powertrain sustav nisu uvjetovali servisnom i servisnim intervalima (Tesla, Renault, Ford…) kad kupujete EV pitajte jel opca garancija podjeljena od garancije pogonskog sustava, ako nije, ako zbog servisa brisaca ukidaju garanciju tad ne kupujte vozilo. Autoportali, Šebaji i ostali ne rade svoj posao, pokrivaju samo plaćene materijale i propagande na vašu štetu, a ni zaštite potrošača ne rade nista, zato ne kupujte STELLANTIS. Takodjer uskoro pisemo i za ostale PSA EV škartove gdje svaka komponenta ima serijsku grešku koju uspjesno odbijaju na garanciju. Jos slika u komentarima. Buducnost je elektricna, ali ne od europskih škart proizvodjača, neznaju ni ICE ni EV napraviti (koji je jednostavniji)

Kataloski:1677671480, 9841848180, 9694347580, 9835785980, 9840685180

Greška: P1069

Baterija: nova 25000€, rabljena 9000€

Kvar: serijska greska BMS sustava

Procesor: SAK-TC275